•1:02 PM
This is a pet peeve of mine but I do not know how to fix it. Perhaps setting this out into the world of blogging will find me some answers...
Quite often I will be stapling several pieces of paper together that are a mix of portrait and landscape documents. I never know where to put the staple.
Generally speaking, if I have a landscape document on the front I will staple it on the upper left hand corner. However, my portrait documents are then stapled at the bottom of the page. I could turn them but all the rest of my documents in my files face the other way.
Similarly if I have a portrait document on top I will still staple in the upper left hand corner. However, then my landscape documents are stapled on the right hand corner.
Are there any proper procedures for stapling? I don't mind living with it if I can be consistent and I may as well be properly consistent!
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Wow, girl, you think too much. i think you should put all the pages upright so we can just read the whole thing without turning it sideways.....I am lazy and do want to have to move too much.
But you don't understand...I have financial tables that I print out that only fit landscape. So when I am putting them with a fax (which is always portrait) or a bank statement (I can't change how those come) how am I supposed to deal? I just can't. Its too much. I will go crazy!
no, you don't understand....leave the portrait, portrait. And the landscape, landscape....
Just staple them that way, then when I look at them I don't have to turn it sideways....get it? It would be messy, but hey, I would be happy.
Drill a hole in the middle of the page and stick a bolt in it. Then the reader can spin it around to fit their liking.
Oh dad you got me laughing so hard on that one. Sounds like the most practical solution!
Believe it or not I did a web search on this and have only found one site that addresses proper stapling techniques and it does not address mix matched page orientation!!!
I thought this was the WWW!!!
Wow I am so confused right now... Your dad's comment is so Clyde. :)
Had a chat about this with Pastor Pat and Chris today and they decided that you staple the landscape on the right hand side which means the portrait is on the lefthand side. Reason being is it is less awkward to have the landscape stapled on the incorrect side than the portrait. We tried it with real paper and I agree. This will be my standard now.
I'm glad to see there was a resolution to this problem.
Well I to but I dream the post should have more info then it has.
Again a fair post. Thank your achates
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I enjoyed reading your post. I'm not sure if there is a proper stapling method. If there isn't one there should be!
This is a pretty idiotic comment really:
March 15, 2008 6:16 PM , Cher said...
no, you don't understand....leave the portrait, portrait. And the landscape, landscape....
Just staple them that way, then when I look at them I don't have to turn it sideways....get it? It would be messy, but hey, I would be happy.
If you have a mixture of pages that some are landscape and some are portrait orientation that all need to be kept together...
You are obviously going to have to turn the page to read them at some point in the viewing.
When looking at the portrait version you would then turn it clockwise so the landscape is read correctly.
I think Cher is saying keep all the portrait pieces together and keep all the landscape pieces together.
Working in the finance industry and producing reports, you understand this is not possible.
You cannot talk about something and then just skip onto something and then go back to the previous comment right at the end of the book. Everything needs to be in order and efficient for everyone!
Ste I understand your comment wasn't necessarily intended to be rude but please don't call my mother an idiot. She didn't mean you don't have to turn the papers. Anyone that ignorant probably would not know enough to comment on a blog.
you should rotate the landscape pages clockwise, not counterclockwise. then the staple will always be on the left of the page you are viewing. Either in the bottom corner of the landscape pages or the top for your portraits.
To clarify this topic of how to staple landscape documents, think about the end result? After the documents are handed out where could the recipients end-up putting the documents, other than the waste-bin; most likely, on a “peg” in a file, or in a binder! So how would you put the landscape documents into a file or binder? Let’s stick with the binder scenario. Logic would say since you hole-punch the left-margin-side of the portrait documents, that would make it hole-punched on the top-margin-side of the landscape documents. If you stapled landscape documents on the corner to coincide with the written contents, the staple would now be on the lower-left in the binder, or if you turn the documents upside down, to ensure that staple is on the top in the binder, your landscape documents are now hole-punched in the binder with the staple on the top-right and the contents are also upside down in the binder. In both of these cases, it now makes it quite difficult to open the landscape documents, no matter which way you have hole-punched them, because the staple is now in-the-way and restricts reading and access to the stapled documents. That means extra frustrating efforts are now required to pull out the staple, and if you want to keep that bunch of papers together in the binder it requires a new staple in proper top corner. Therefore, to have the harmony with both portrait and landscape documents; alone, on a “peg” in a file, or in a “binder”, rule-of-thumb is that all portrait documents are stapled in the upper-left-corner and all landscape documents are stapled in the upper-right-corner; whether alone or mixed. That way you can NEVER go wrong. Try it out! Staple a bunch of papers in all of the various scenarios debated online and hole-punch them for a binder! Forty plus years ago when proper business admin procedures were taught in school, this was one of the very basic business admin 101 techniques. Yes...there were photocopiers back then, as crude as they were! However, this kind of teaching, such as how to staple, how to properly answer the telephone, how to properly prepare documents, and so on, no longer exists and has created this hodgepodge of debates as evidenced online. Just search the internet and you will see what I mean. Now days just in-case you may be shown the wrong technique, take a moment to use “common sense” and “logic” to figure it out and think of the end-result. That also includes taking a moment to figure out how to feed the documents and set the staple-finishing in a photocopier because that is also where many go wrong!
One of the biggest things for stapling/binding is to consider where the pages go when flipping through pages. You always want to flip pages away from you so they don't end up in your lap. So when you turn from portrait to landscape and vice versa, the top pages should always still go away from you.
After that, consider binding. To be the most flexible, orient the pages according to the above, but also keeping in mind where edge binding would likely occur. To do that, make sure pages are also oriented such that the binder would always open up or to the left (depending on orientation of the page.
This method was taught to me in college as part of a construction contracts course and works for various orientations, filing methods, and most importantly, the end user actually looking at the finished product.
It also can be expanded to work for mixed paper sizes. I mix letter and 11x17 a lot. To do that, you just figure out your orientation above. For the 11x17, fold it in half across the long dimension to make it letter sized, with the content inside. Then fold the half that would not be bound in half the other direction (kind of like an accordion) so that you can see what's on the page, but it's folded down to letter sized. This way, stapled or bound, or both, the page fits nicely into the packet and can always be easily opened and refolded. Larger sizes are slightly more complicated, but similar.
Personally, I prefer to number the pages and use a paper clip instead of staples, at least until I am finished reading the document, then I staple for storage.
For items I plan to keep in a binder for reference - I print to portrait orientation and select ‘fit to page’.
You end up with a lot of extra white space if you use one per page.
Or if you want to save paper you can fit 2 landscape per page at the same scale converted to portrait mode.
I find Adobe has the best settings for this purpose.